Myra Ford - Deputy Sheriff

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Myra Ford - Deputy Sheriff

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WITNESS SWORN BY THE COURT.

MYRA FORD , a witness called on behalf of the defendant Gertrude Baniszewski,
being duly sworn by the court, testified as follows:

DIRECT EXAMINATION,
QUESTIONS BY MR. WILLIAM ERBECKER, ATTORNEY FOR DEFENDANT,
GERTRUDE BANISZEWSKI

Q. State your name, please.

A. Myra Ford.

Q. You are a deputy sheriff, are you?

A. Yes, I am.

Q. How long have you been a deputy sheriff?

A. Eight years.

Q. What are your duties as a deputy sheriff?

A. To take care of women in the jail.

Q. Do you know the defendant in this case, Gertrude Baniszewski?

A. Yes.

Q. When is the first time you saw her?

A. Well the day she was - came over to the sheriff's department.

Q. When was that, Mrs. Ford?

A. I guess it was the 27th.

Q. Of October?

A. Yes.

Q. 1965?

A. Yes.

Q. Did you see her every day since then?

A. Every day I was there.

Q. You are there every day except every other Friday?

A. Tuesday.

Q. Every other Tuesday?

A. And every Tuesday and every other Saturday and Sunday.

Q. You get off every Tuesday and every other Saturday and Sunday?

A. Yes.

Q. Otherwise, you see her every day, is that right?

A. Every working day, yes.

Q. Describe her appearance the first time you saw her.

A. Well, I have been a little confused on that. I thought one thing and one matron said something else. I don't know what she looked like.

Q. Did you see her?

A. Yes, I saw her.

Q. What did she look like?

MR. NEW: We object. She said she did not know.

THE COURT: Objection overruled. Can you answer that question?

Q. The question was - what did she look like?

A. Well, she was skinny. I mean slimmer than she is now and looked like her face was real dirty. That is as much as I remember.

Q. Skinny and more slender than now and her face -

A. And she had a black eye.

Q. Did you see other marks on her face other than a black eye?

A. I don't remember.

Q. Did you ever have conversation with this defendant any time?

A. Yes.

Q. When was the first time, if there was more than one?

A. Well, as much as "Good Morning", that is as much. I did not discuss her case with her.

Q. You did not?

A. No.

Q. Did you ever hear her use any vulgar language?

A. Yes, I have.

Q. Did you ever hear her curse and swear?

A. Yes, I have.

Q. What is your feelings toward this defendant, are you prejudiced any way?

A. No.

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Objection overruled. The question is answered and will remain.

Q. You did converse with other matrons about this defendant?

A. I guess everybody has.

Q. I did not ask you that.

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Objection sustained. You are impeaching your own witness. Next question, please.

Q. You have been a deputy sheriff eight years?

A. Eight years the first of October it will be eight years.

Q. You have seen a lot of prisoners in the woman's lockup have you?

MR. NEW: We object. It is irrelevant whether she has or not.

THE COURT: Objection sustained.

Q. Was there anything unusual in this defendant's demeanor, mannerisms than any other you saw?

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Objection sustained.

Q. Did she act the same as other prisoners?

A. Well, I did not compare her with other prisoners.

Q. Compare now, will you?

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q. Basing your answer on the number of times you have seen her, when you spoke and conversed with her, exchanging greetings and any other manner or method you may have had to evaluate this woman, would you say she was sane?

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q. How many minutes or hours a day would you say you saw this woman?

A. Well, I'd see her at breakfast time.

Q. How long would that be?

A. About a half hour for breakfast.

Q. Yes, how about lunch time, did you see her then too?

A. I would see her passing. The same matron does not feed both times.

Q. How about the evening meals? Would you see her?

A. I am not here for the evening meals.

Q. Never?

A. Not on this shift.

Q. On any shift?

A. Yes.

Q. During the entire time she was there, since October to the present time, were you on the evening shift at all?

A. Yes, I have been on the evening shift.

Q. How many times, once?

A. Yes, I guess once.

Q. You were on the evening shift only once since October to the present time, is that right?

A. That is right.

Q. Then you were on the morning shift and noon shift the same length of time you would be on the evening shift?

MR. NEW: The State objects.

THE COURT: Objection sustained.

Q. How many times a day would you say you have observed this women in your presence?

A. I don't know.

Q. More than once a day?

A. I did not understand your question.

Q. How often would she be in your view during the day, how many minutes?

A. Five or ten minutes.

Q. Is that all, every day?

A. Yes.

Q. Even at lunch time and breakfast time?

A. I already told you if I fed, I fed for a half hour.

Q. How many times would you say you fed her from October to the present time?

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q. How many times would you say you have actually observed this woman in your presence all together from the time you first saw her October 27, 1965 till the present time, the total number of times?

A. I would have to get a pencil. I have not been keeping up with the time.

Q. Would you say more than a dozen times?

A. Naturally.

Q. Would you say more than thirty times?

A. Yes.

Q. Would you say more than sixty times?

A. It may have been.

Q. Would you say more than ninety times?

A. I would not say that. I don't know.

Q. Would you say you saw her every day you were there?

A. Yes.

Q. Would you say you saw her about one hundred and fifty times?

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Sustained. You are pressing the point.

Q. Have you ever formed an opinion as to this defendant's sanity or insanity?

A. No, I have not.

Q. You never have discussed it with anybody?

A. No.

Q. You never have?

A. No.

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Sustained.

MR. ERBECKER: Nothing further.

THE COURT: Cross?

MR. NEW: No questions.

MR. RICE: No questions here.

MR. BOWMAN: No questions.

MR. NEDEFF: Mr. Hobbs has no questions.

THE COURT: You may go.

WITNESS EXCUSED.

THE COURT: Your next witness.
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