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Paul Walters - Insurance Agent

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THE COURT: Next witness, please.


PAUL WALTERS , a witness called on behalf of the defendant Gertrude Baniszewski,
being duly sworn by the court, testified as follows:


Q. State your name, sir.

A. Paul Walters.

Q. Walters?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Where do you live, Mr. Walters?

A. 102 South Emerson.

THE COURT: A little louder, Mr. Walters, please.

Q. What is your business or occupation, Mr. Walters?

A. Insurance agent.

Q. Insurance agent, and how long have you been an insurance agent?

A. Ten and a half years.

Q. Do you know the defendant in this case, Gertrude Baniszewski?

A. Well, yes.

Q. How long have you known her?

A. Approximately a year.

Q. Sir?

A. A year.

Q. A year?

A. May I make a statement? From the time I first met her or the time I had insurance?

Q. From the time you first met her. Let's have that.

A. July '64.

Q. July '64 you first met her. When did you begin having business with her, if you did?

A. July '64. That is when I wrote insurance.

Q. Did you ever visit the home?

A. For the collection of insurance.

Q. When did that start?

A. July '64.

Q. Where did she live then?

A. I believe 1250 LaSalle.

Q. 1250 North LaSalle?

A. Yes.

Q. At that time, who was living there with her, if you know?

A. Dennis Wright.

Q. Dennis Wright. Who else?

A. The children were there at times when I would be there. Of course, I only visited once a month.

Q. Once a month?

A. Yes.

Q. And will you describe the condition as you saw them there, with reference to appearance of the house there at 1250 North LaSalle?

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q. Did you ever see her in July 1965?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. Where?

A. 3850 East New York.

Q. Did you ever go there?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. How many times in the month of July?

A. That would be hard to say. Along about that time the policy lapsed and, of course, the company has you try to conserve all business.

Q. The policy lapsed? What policy?

A. On Mrs. Baniszewski.

Q. Did you go back to her house?

A. Not after the policy lapsed, no.

Q. How many times would you say you went to her house in July 1965?

A. I would say four or five times, I suppose.

Q. Who was living there at the house then, if you know - who did you see?

A. Well, I don't know that anybody other than the Mrs. was there and the children.

Q. The children were there? Was anybody else there?

A. Not to my knowledge, not living there.

Q. And will you describe her condition at that time, her appearance, Mrs. Baniszewski's?

A. Well, in what manner do you mean that?

Q. Just how did she look, what was her condition, how did she look to you - the same as she does now?

A. Well, she appeared to be alright to me.

Q. Was she the same weight, do you think?

A. She might have been a little lighter than she is now, I don't know.

Q. A little lighter. What about her conduct toward you with reference to her manner, demeanor and her appearance?

A. I don't get quite what you mean there, sir.

Q. Well, she - was she jovial or depressed, was she angry, what was her conduct toward you?

A. She could not pay the insurance premium.

Q. Why?

MR. NEW: We object.

THE COURT: Sustained.

Q. Now, did you ever see her after July 1965?

A. Well, I am not real sure exactly the date of the cancellation of the policy. I did follow through till the exact date of the cancellation but I could not tell you the exact dates.

Q. To refresh your recollection, were you there the month of August 1965?

A. I am assuming I probably was. There is a grace period on the policy.

Q. Were you ever there at her house any other occasion?

A. Nothing other than the business occasion.

Q. That is what I am talking about, a business occasion, that is what I am talking about. Were you there on a business occasion after that?

A. No, sir.

Q. What did you mean other than a business occasion you were not there.

A. I just said I was not there other than on a regular business call.

Q. I understand that, sir. My question is, any time after July did you ever go back to that house for any reason at all?

A. If I went back for a collection of premium, I was. I am not sure exactly the dates.

Q. Who all did you carry insurance on - Mrs. Baniszewski?

A. At that particular time, yes.

Q. Did you ever carry any on her children?

A. No.

Q. You never did?

A. Excuse me. I will have to go back to my first appearance there - there was a family policy written on Dennis Wright which had the children insured.

Q. Dennis Wright?

A. Yes.

Q. When was the last time she paid the premium on any of these policies?

A. Along about that time, July or August. I am not sure of the exact date.

Q. Was your company compelled to make a payment one time to her?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. Did you ever - strike that question - Was that a general coverage on Mrs. Wright and children?

A. It is life insurance.

Q. You did not have a health and accident policy?

A. No, sir.

Q. On anybody?

A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever go to the hospital with Mrs. Baniszewski any time?

A. No, sir.

Q. Did you ever go with any of her children?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. Who?

A. Paula.

Q. When?

A. The date I don't know.

Q. Was that after July?

A. I am not sure about that.

Q. Did you ever take Mrs. Baniszewski to a doctor?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. Were you ever there when the doctor came?

A. No, sir.

MR. ERBECKER: Nothing further.

MR. NEW: No questions.

THE COURT: Paula Marie Baniszewski?


MR. BOWMAN: No questions.

MR. NEDEFF: Nothing at all.

THE COURT: The witness may leave. Next witness, please.


MR. ERBECKER: I ask the court's indulgence. The witness is on the way. She is in the building.

THE COURT: Rather than have you sit and wait in the courtroom, jury and alternate jurors, let me give you a recess of two or three minutes, which usually means a half hour. Come back to the jury room at twenty-five till 11:00. During the recess, don't talk among yourselves and don't let anyone talk to you about this case or any subject connected therewith. Don't form or express any opinion on the case till it has been submitted to you. In the event you leave the jury room, by agreement of counsel and with the consent of the state and defendants made in open court, the jury is permitted to separate. Don't read any newspaper articles that may appear about the case and don't watch or listen to anything about the case. Try to be back in the jury room at twenty-five till 11:00. Jury excused.


THE COURT: During the recess, lawyers for the defendants and State of Indiana, corral your witness so we can go on with the case. We are in recess.


THE COURT: Who is your next witness, Mr. Erbecker? If there are any witnesses in the courtroom, you will leave, please. Are you ready for the jury?

MR. ERBECKER: Defendant Gertrude Baniszewski is, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Bring in the jury, please.

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